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  • Reply to: Citing an online database with no obvious name   3 days 2 hours ago

    Kristina, a citation is never "too much" unless you're being needlessly redundant! When you provide information that enables the reader to better understand the source (and "reader" includes you, at a later date after your memory of the source goes cold), then you're not providing too much.

    Your draft is excellent. The NGS course obviously taught you well.

    Yes, whenever births and deaths are in separate databases, then we cite them separately. We always cite the database title exactly as it is at the website, and we place that title in quotes to show that we are quoting it exactly.

    And, yes, when we are using a derivative source, we should also copy the source-of-the-source info given by the derivative we're using. We separate those two things (1-what we're actually using; 2-what our source says it came from) via a technique we call a layered citation.

    • In layer 1 we cite what we're actually using;
    • In layer 2 we cite the source-of-the-source data

    Then we separate the layers with a semicolon, to show that both parts of the citation sentence all identify the same record or record set.

    To dissect your citation for our readers who have not taken the course or don't yet have EE, the pattern you have used is this (using color coding to separate the layers):

    "Name of Database or Article," type, Website Title, Which in This Case Is The Same As The Creator So You Don't Have to Be Redundant and Cite the Creator (Publication Place = URL : Date), [specific item]; citing [here we place whatever our provider says is the original source].

    In layer 1, when we cite a database or article at a website, we're using the same format we'd use for citing a chapter in a book. Layer 2, on the other hand, has almost no structure: after we use the word citing, so that our readers understand what follows, we put whatever our provider says. If we quote the provider exactly, then we use quotation marks around the phrasing that we've copied exactly.

  • Reply to: Citing an online database with no obvious name   3 days 6 hours ago

    I'm trying to figure out the best way to cite the Civil Registration indexes for England and Wales on Ancestry. I looked at the example in EE p. 476. However, since the birth, marriage, and death indexes are separate databases, shouldn't the citation specificy the name the each database? 

    Also, the online course I took with NGS indicates we should include the original source for databases at Ancestry. I would assume that means we should include the General Register info as listed on Ancestry.

    Is this citation below, too much?

    “England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007,” database and digital images, Ancestry ( : viewed 19 March 2018), entry for Henry Parlour, p 136; citing General Register Office, England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes, London, England; Gloucestershire County, June [Quarter] 1929, Newent District, Vol. 6a:323.

  • Reply to: Citing a newsletter transcription   3 days 12 hours ago

    Ah! Describing this material as a module of the website makes a lot of sense.

    Thank you,


  • Reply to: Citing a newsletter transcription   1 week 3 hours ago

    Brian, if a person has more than one role in the creation of a record, we may have to cite that person twice. It is important that we identify the person who made the transcription. The accuracy of the information you've taken from this is dependent upon him. It is also important that you identify the website. That said, the citation could be tightened a wee bit.

    Derrick K. Babbs, “The Original North Side Church Cemetery,” Apostolic Heritage Genealogy and History Newsletter 29 (May 2003); transcription by Adam J. Barrone, in “Apostolic Heritage" module, Adam J. Barrone ( : accessed 13 March 2018).  The newsletter was self-published by Babbs in Livingston County, Illinois.

    EE suggests using "in" rather than "at" because, generally speaking, material is at a website where it is in a database or module. Given the structure of the website, where there is no database and no tab with that name, the reader (or ourselves at a later date after our memory has gone cold) would be better served by identifying the location as a module of the website.

    As for the duplication of names, after you have fully identified Babbs, you need only give his last name in the explanation you have wisely added to aid in future location of this fairly obscure publication.


  • Reply to: Help with an Indenture Please   1 week 5 days ago

    Ann, it is indeed a conditional sale. That second paragraph states the conditions. Apparently the other researcher did not read deeply into the document and missed that critical paragraph--along with the clerk of court's statement added at the time Uptegrove submitted the document for filing. There, the clerk explicitly refers to it as a mortgage.

    Today's equivalent might be a "title loan" one would get by using a car title as collateral.