I've come across some new records that I need to cite properly and want to be sure I have this correct. The images of the original registers are available online on IrishGenealogy.ie. The challenge I am facing is that there are two sets of stamped number on the pages (image attached), and I cannot figure out what these numbers represent. The website is not very user friendly (no way to easily view pages before and after the desired image).
I included the direct URL as these records are pretty tricky to find. This is what I have come up with:
Clontarf & Howth District, County Dublin, Ireland, Marriage Records, 1883, Clontarf, no. 200, Thomas Early and Lizzie Kenny, 27 October 1883; General Register Office, Dublin, Ireland; database and digital images, “Register images of the Civil Records of Irish Marriages, 1870–1941,” IrishGenealogy (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10950/8001873.pdf : accessed 14 December 2018).
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Kristina, You point to two…
Kristina,
You point to two separate numbers on the document you uploaded and ask what they represent.
The uploaded document and the corresponding website link both yield an isolated page 437, from some register; but in neither case is there anything visible or linked to it that offers an identification of the register.
Sometimes, in cases such as this, the second number 08001873, represents an individual file number or ID for that specific marriage registration. I would hesitate to conclude that in this case, without adequately using this set of records, because (1) The Garley-Kenny marriage is the only one recorded on the page, (2) the page carries several other identical blanks to be used for recording other marriages; but (3) none of those other blanks carry a number of similar type by which those entries could be distinguished from the Garley-Kenny entry; and (4) a notation in the left margin and at the bottom of the page indicates that the marriage number is identified in the original record set as No. 200. Given the construction of what we see, that number 08001873 seemingly represents something different.
What I would do in a situation such as this is to go back to the website and explore all the discussions that it offers, in order to learn as much as possible about that set of records and how the whole is organized.
For example, on the webpage with the search box, there is a “Help” block that lists a number of linked articles we can explore. If we click on (for example) “Can you explain the location to me,” we get a short discussion that tells us a bit about the organization of those records, along with a link to further discussion at IrishTimes. When we click that IrishTimes link, we arrive at John Grenham’s Irish Ancestors, where he lists a number of discussions for us—starting with “Overviews of the records” and “County-by-county listings.” Both are informative. Likely, several of the other links at both websites would be informative.
Any time we’re at an archive’s web page or a provider’s web page and the record is not self-explanatory, we can usually find the answer to our question by exploring the discussion topics that are linked to the site.
Best wishes.
Hi Kristina, There was a…
Hi Kristina,
There was a previous discussion on EE.com in the past that you may find helpful.
https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/irishgenealogyie-dept-arts-heritage-regional-rural-and-gaeltacht-affairs
For marriages, I am using the following citation:
Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht, "Civil Records," database with images, IrishGenealogy.ie (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ : accessed 15 April 2018); digital image, John (Alexander) Burns-Alice Somerville marriage, 25 March 1903; citing Group Registration ID 2066112; filed 7 April 1903 by W. J. Nicholson, Rector of the Church of Irvinestown belonging to the Church of Ireland in the County of Fermanagh, unidentified register, folio 185?, "First Page," stamped no. 05721427, entry no. 5.
and for birth and death images:
Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht, "Civil Records," database with images, IrishGenealogy.ie (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ : accessed 18 April 2018); digital image, Annie Somerville birth registration, born 20 October 1904; citing Group Registration ID 4599725; filed 17 January 1905 by B.G. Graham, Registrar of Births and Deaths in the District of Irvinestown in the Union of Irvinestown in the County of Fermanagh, unidentified register, folio 122?, "Second Page," stamped no. 01707475, entry no. 212.
Regards
Robyn