Citation Issues

Whether to include knowledge that an internet source is gone?

With much hoopla, Ancestry added images of estate documents (wills, files and sometimes much more) for most US States, on September 1, 2015:

http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2015/09/02/u-s-probates-are-here/

Then on September 24 and 25 Ancestry began to remove most of what had been uploaded for New Jersey.  Much is now gone.

 

If you knew that the data you want to cite is now gone from your source-site, would you note this regrettable circumstance in your citation for a document?  Here is an example:

Self-Published E-Book

On the surface, this seems like a straightforward problem/question, but I seem to be going around in a circle . . .

I came across a quotation in a novel that I want to save for possible use in a future presentation. The novel is a Kindle book that I purchased and downloaded from Amazon.com.

EE 12.60 gives an example for Electronically Readable Text (Kindle) that is clear and straightforward. But I ran into trouble as I tried to apply it.

Passenger List Ancestry.com

I think I have another doozy.  How would I go about writing a citation for this image?  

http://interactive.ancestry.com/8758/usm575_16-0001?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fsearch%2fdb.aspx%3fdbid%3d8758%26path%3d&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnBrowsing#?imageId=usm575_16-0453

The record is not indexed so you can't use the database "U.S. Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, 1820-183 and 1893-1959."  Instead over on the right side of the page where it says Browse this Collection,

choose Roll Based,

Who citing what: clarification needed

I understand that if a data source actually gives information about the source of its own data (whoopee!), such as the proveance, reference details, etc., then we should include it in a new layer begining "citing".

I also understand that if some authored work cites the sources from which it derived one-or-more claims then we can cite the work but not that author's citations, not least because they are not the source of the claim.

Page of Testimony

Good morning,

I deal mainly with Jewish Genealogy and so I have some issues with specific data sources.

My current questions relates to pages of testimony (for example: http://db.yadvashem.org/names/nameDetails.html?itemId=1497034&language=en).

Pages of Testimony are submitted by Holocaus survivors, remaining family and friends, in commemoration of Jews murdered during the Holocaust.

1) How should I cite the various pages of testimony (there may be more then one per individual and they may have conflicting information) in my report? 

Social Security Death Index

The suggested reference note in EE 11.55 for an online database of the Social Security Death Index gives me pause.  It is:

Social Security Administration, "United States Social Security Death In-dex," database, FamilySearch.org (https://familysearch.org : accessed 1 April 2015), entry for Theresa Sammarco, 1978, SS no. 116-05-4655.

Birth Certificate extracted from Birth Registers

I inherited a Certificate of Birth for my great grandfather. He was born in 1892, and it appears he needed a birth certificate for some reason and so ordered this document in 1912.  The information was extracted from the original Birth Registers of the Parish.  I'm trying to figure out what a proper citation for this document would look like.  I have both the original blue paper certificate, and I've also digitally scanned the document (because it's very delicate and falling apart).  I probably would want to cite the actual certificate, not the digital image of the certificate. 

Lead element: Original record or Database?

Dear Editor,

I know you've addressed this several times, within the pages of EE, the QuickLessons, and in the forum, but I'm still not getting it.

We do so much of our research online now, viewing images of original documents.

The question:  Do we try to cite the original document as the first part of the citation, followed by the website information, or is it the other way around?

Or is either acceptable, or does it "depend?"

Google Street View images

I'm not entirely sure how I should cite a street view image from Google Maps. It is an image rather than a map, so I think this is what I've come up with for my full reference note:

505 Hayes Avenue, Helena, Montana; digital image, June 2012, “Street View,” GoogleMaps (http://www.googlemaps.com : accessed 29 August 2015).

It includes the date the photo was taken, according to Google, along with the day I accessed the image. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Nancy