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Hi everyone, I am trying to form a proper citation for the birth record of "Hugh Byrne" found on the right side of the record here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BY-9Z1H?cat=580583
I've formulated two versions of the citation and am unsure in which order is the correct way, the orignal location first and then FamilySearch info, or the FamilySearch info followed by "citing" ... etc. with the original info. I'm sure I've made other mistakes as well, please let me know!
1. New Haven, Connecticut, “Births, Vol. 15, Jan 1864-Nov 1868,” p. 8, for “Hugh Byrne,” child of Thos. and Mary Byrne born 26 Feb 1834; New Haven (Connecticut), Town Clerk; imaged in “Records of births, marriages, and deaths, 1639-1902 ; indexes to births, marriages, and deaths, 1639-1914,” database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BY-9Z1H?cat=580583 : accessed 3 May 2022) > Film #007731213 > Image 624 of 949.
2. “Records of births, marriages, and deaths, 1639-1902 ; indexes to births, marriages, and deaths, 1639-1914,” database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BY-9Z1H?cat=580583 : accessed 3 May 2022) > Film #007731213 > Image 624 of 949; citing New Haven, Connecticut, “Births, Vol. 15, Jan 1864-Nov 1868,” p. 8, for “Hugh Byrne,” child of Thos. and Mary Byrne born 26 Feb 1834; New Haven (Connecticut), Town Clerk.
Thank you!
Hello sarafergione. Welcome…
Hello sarafergione. Welcome to EE!
Your question is one that perplexes many researchers, judging by the number of times we get this question. The answer is simple. I'll borrow here from a prior response:
https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/when-layer-database-images
“Some researchers—when they use many different items from a single database (or any other source), prefer to focus the citation upon the larger item (the database, the record collection, etc.) and then add each individual record's details in the "specific item" field. Others prefer to start the citation with the specific record book and then, in a second layer, identify the larger item—in this case the database and provider that published the database-images.
To use the first database above as an example, if you pull 20 or 30 different records from that database and you cite each one individually using the second format above, then your own database would create 20 or 30 different "master sources" within your Source List. By using the website’s database as the lead element, you would have only one "master source" to deal with.
EE illustrates both approaches—both in the manual and at this website. If you have a digital edition of EE, query for the term "lead element" and you'll find dozens of examples demonstrating the differences that result when you focus your citation on one element rather than another. Or, query this website for the phrase “lead element” and you’ll find numerous discussions of specific incidences.
Your examples also raise a couple of other issues that I'll address separately.
Sarahfergione, since you…
Sarahfergione, since you offered specific examples, I’ll tweak them for a couple of points you did not raise:
Government Agency as Author
1. New Haven, Connecticut, Town Clerk, “Births, Vol. 15, Jan 1864-Nov 1868,” p. 8, for “Hugh Byrne,” child of Thos. and Mary Byrne born 26 Feb 1864;
New Haven (Connecticut), Town Clerk;imaged in “Records of births, marriages, and deaths, 1639-1902 ; indexes to births, marriages, and deaths, 1639-1914,” database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BY-9Z1H?cat=580583 : accessed 3 May 2022) > Film #007731213 > Image 624 of 949.When we create a layered citation, the author of the original record is not a layer to itself, as in your draft. (Each layer is separated by a semicolon; thus, you have three layers above.) Whenever we cite an original government record, the name of the agency that authored the record goes in the field where we identify author. Reuniting the separate pieces of the author’s identity leaves the appropriate two layers:
FamilySearch Database vs. Catalog Description
Beyond this, I hit a snag when I used the database title you give: “Records of births, marriages, and deaths, 1639-1902 ; indexes to births, marriages, and deaths, 1639-1914.” Explicitly:
So, we now have choices.
Short option: Cite this to the specific roll of film, with the original record as the lead element:
1. New Haven, Connecticut, Town Clerk, “Births,
Vol.15, Jan. 1864–Nov. 1868,” p. 8,for“Hugh Byrne,” child of Thos. and Mary Byrne, born 26 Feb 1864; imaged at FamilySearch digital film 007731213 > image 624 of 949.Long option: Cite this to FamilySearch's indexed collection:
1. New Haven, Connecticut, Town Clerk, Births, vol. 15 (Jan 1864–Nov 1868), p. 8, “Hugh Byrne,” child of Thos. and Mary Byrne, born 26 Feb 1864; imaged in “Connecticut Births and Christenings, 1649–1906,” database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BY-9Z1H?cat=580583 : accessed 3 May 2022) > film 007731213 > image 624 of 949.
You’ll also note a couple of other points, where I’ve given you two options
Thank you so much for the…
Thank you so much for the great explanations and examples!