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Dear EE,
This is my first go at citing a newspaper article. I have consulted https://www.evidenceexplained.com/node/1679.
Reference Note:
“The Wellsboro Gazette (Wellsboro, Pennsylvania),” database with images, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/492622855:8332 : accessed 19 Jan 2023), Vol. LXV – No. 4, Thursday, September 21, 1939, p.7, col.6, paragraph 7, “Announce Engagement,” Miss Gladys M. Quimby to Wayne R. Knowlton by A.W. Quimby; microfilm data not provided.
Source List:
“The Wellsboro Gazette (Wellsboro, Pennsylvania).” database with images. Ancestry. https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/8332/.
- Is specific item field over-detailed?
- Is second layer wording proper?
- Is URL in source list entry improper due to pointing to a search page?
Wayneson
Wayneson, have you used EE's…
Wayneson, have you used EE's chapter 14, which covers periodicals? EE14.22 (pp. 807–9) specifically covers "Newspaper Articles," including the essential elements for citation and the best arrangement for citing newspapers that are imaged online. That and several of the sections starting with 14.1 would answer your questions. (The material here at this website is meant to supplement the instruction in EE; it does not cover the fundamentals that the book itself covers.)
All right, let's try again: …
All right, let's try again:
Reference Note:
“Announce Engagement,” The Wellsboro (Pennsylvania) Gazette, Vol. LXV – No. 4, (Thursday, September 21, 1939), p.7, col.6, paragraph 7, Miss Gladys M. Quimby to Wayne R. Knowlton by A.W. Quimby; imaged in “The Wellsboro Gazette (Wellsboro, Pennsylvania),” database, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/492622855:8332) : accessed 19 Jan 2023); Newspapers.com, microfilm data not provided.
Source List:
“The Wellsboro Gazette (Wellsboro, Pennsylvania).” Database with images. Ancestry. https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/8332/.
My three questions remain.
Yes, I have, although my…
Yes, I have, although my copy of EE is a second printing, 2007. I found the discussion at https://www.evidenceexplained.com/node/1679 to be more helpful. However, neither treatment addressed my specific questions.
Since posting I've spotted two punctuation omissions:
“The Wellsboro Gazette (Wellsboro, Pennsylvania),” database with images, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/492622855:8332 : accessed 19 Jan 2023), Vol. LXV – No. 4, (Thursday, September 21, 1939), p.7, col.6, paragraph 7, “Announce Engagement,” Miss Gladys M. Quimby to Wayne R. Knowlton by A.W. Quimby; microfilm data not provided.
Source List:
“The Wellsboro Gazette (Wellsboro, Pennsylvania).” Database with images. Ancestry. https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/8332/.
Wayneson, your copy of the…
Wayneson, your copy of the original 2007 edition is not out of date, when it comes to citing newspapers. The format for citing newspapers is so simple that it has not changed in the last 100 years, except for the modern expectation that column numbers be added. These days, when we access newspaper images online, we also add a layer to cite the newspaper; but that does not change the format for citing the newspaper itself.
Note four things from both the 2007 edition and the Forum discussion to which you point us (https://www.evidenceexplained.com/node/1679):
With regard to your three questions:
EE would not use either your draft 1 or draft 2, in which you cite the Ancestry database as your first layer. Your draft 3 comes closest to what you need.
To go back to the basic newspaper pattern at 14.22—with the inclusion of the website, as per the Forum discussion you flagged—a typical citation to your particular source would be this:
Your draft 3:
“Announce Engagement,” The Wellsboro (Pennsylvania) Gazette
, Vol. LXV – No. 4, (Thursday, September 21, 1939), p.7, col.6,paragraph 7,Miss Gladys M. Quimby to Wayne R. Knowlton by A.W. Quimby; imaged in “The Wellsboro Gazette (Wellsboro, Pennsylvania),” database, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/492622855:8332) : accessed 19 Jan 2023); Newspapers.com, microfilm data not provided.Clean copy:
“Announce Engagement,” The Wellsboro (Pennsylvania) Gazette, September 21, 1939, p.7, col.6, Gladys M. Quimby to Wayne R. Knowlton; imaged in “The Wellsboro Gazette (Wellsboro, Pennsylvania),” database, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/492622855:8332) : accessed 19 Jan. 2023).
Forgive me for my lack of…
Forgive me for my lack of patience in reading the EE I consult. I will be more thorough before I "raise my hand" in the future. Thanks for your patience - I have gone back to 14.22.
Also, it's just dawned on me that I'm trying to perfect my skills at citation but at the same time have no intention of creating a narrative per se to present them. I'm beginning to see that perspective does not serve me well on the learning curve. That said, I do have intentions of honoring EE standards (to the extent possible) as I work in digital programs. That, I fully understand, is not your balywick, but you may agree that the pedestrian users of these platforms are all over the map in terms of conforming to either the particular system their using or any standard of citation.
Back to the drawing board...
Wayneson
Wayneson, from our prior…
Wayneson, from our prior discussions, I suspected that your emphasis on the database flowed from your preference to create one Source List Entry that would accommodate many citations. That said, the Ancestry database we are discussing, "The Wellsboro Gazette (Wellsboro, Pennsylvania)," consists entirely of images of one single newspaper: the Wellsboro (Pennsylvania) Gazette.
So, what would we gain by shifting the emphasis to the database instead of just creating a Source List Entry for the newspaper itself?
Absolutely nothing, I'm sure…
Absolutely nothing, I'm sure.
Way back in the beginning I thought I had it figured out (silly me):
Then came along the issues of focus/emphasis and type uniqueness and electronic publishing and citation traditions and... poof! Back to the book!
Don't feel you must reply to this, EE... just ranting.