Digital Archive Records

Hello again, I didn't think I would be back in the forum so soon. 

This time I am referencing to 3.16, Digital Archive Records (3rd Ed Revised/Kindle).

These are the current details I have come up with:

Source List:

"Nicholas Philip Trist Papers, 1765-1903." Image copies. The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. UNC: University Libraries. https://library.unc.edu/ : 2022.

Reference Note:

"Nicholas Philip Trist Papers, 1765-1903," The University of North Carolina, UNC: University Libraries (https://library.unc.edu/ : accessed 29 January 2022), image copy, letter, Nicholas Trist (London) to Mrs Trist, 21 December 1775; Subseries 1.2 (1765-1818), Folder 1 (1765-1789), Southern Historical Collection, The Wilson Library.

The letter itself does not have a specific title, so I have just given it a generic name.

The archive also describes this with Collection Number: 02104; should I be including that somewhere in the citation? Is there anything I am missing?

Thank you once more.

Regards, Robyn

 

Submitted byEEon Sat, 01/29/2022 - 08:58

Robyn,

That’s a great collection you have found. You are correct in matching it to the Georgia Digital Archives example at 3.16. Now for the bad news. Since the publication of the last edition of EE, the Georgia Digital Archives has adopted a new website structure, so that example is obsolete.

So how do we handle a citation to a site such as this? We go back to the basics and ask:

What are we citing?

You are citing an image copy of a letter, at a website, which gives you explicit information about the archival location of the original. Therefore:

  • Layer 1 = identification/description of the document
  • Layer 2 = citation to the website
  • Layer 3 = source of the source information.

The problem in this case is that I could not locate the letter from the information you provided. Well, I possibly could have if I had spent a couple of hours digging through all the possibilities; but we want to create a citation that does not require the user to do that.

Your format tells us that you are citing a named web page ("Nicholas Philip Trist Papers, 1765–1903"), at a website. We should be able to go to that URL and immediately select that web page. Once I select that web page, I should be able to see and select the next item in your citation “letter, Nicholas Trist (London) to Mrs. Trist, 21 December 1775.”  None of that happened.

This is what I did, and what happened:

  1. I used the URL, which led me to the website’s home page, which offers a catalog search box for everything the library holds--books, manuscripts, and more.

 

  1. Typing into the search box the first item that you cited “Nicholas Philip Trist Papers, 1765-1903,” I got this page:

So where do we go from here to find that particular letter?  When I clicked on the option “Trist, Nicholas Philip, 1800–1874,” I’m given a new menu page on which the only logical option is “Nicholas Philip Trist Papers, 1765-1903” (the same title I started out with) offering various options—which leads to a new page, with various other options &c.

If this document does not have a dedicated URL, then we dealing with a website citation that requires the identification of a path. Would you relocate the image (it’s likely to still  be in your cache) and then try a citation in which

  • Layer 1 describes the document;
  • Layer 2 identifies the website using an exact URL and/or a path and waypoints;
  • Layer 3 reports the source-of-the-source info—i.e., the citation to the original document that this website provides.

Submitted byRobynRon Sat, 01/29/2022 - 17:36

In my 2nd attempt using the suggested format, this is what I now have.

Nicho[las] Trist to Mrs Trist, letter, 21 December 1775; image copy, University of North Carolina, UNC: University Libraries (https://finding-aids.lib.unc.edu/02104/#folder_1#1 : accessed 30 January 2022), "Nicholas Philip Trist Papers, 1765-1903," Series 1. Correspondence, 1765-1903, Folder 1; citing Southern Historical Collection, The Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

or should it be?

Nicholas Trist to Mrs Trist, letter, 21 December 1775; image copy, "Nicholas Philip Trist Papers, 1765-1903,"  University of North Carolina, UNC: University Libraries (https://finding-aids.lib.unc.edu/02104/#folder_1#1 : accessed 30 January 2022), Series 1. Correspondence, 1765-1903, Subseries 1.2. 1765-1818, 1765-1818, Folder 1; citing Southern Historical Collection, The Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

I am still unsure whether I have gotten the structure right in either of the above; the URL now goes straight to where the image is, but one would most probably need to scroll down to find it. I was also wondering about the collection number. 

Thanks for your help.

 

Submitted byEEon Sat, 01/29/2022 - 19:03

Great job on the first option. The citation is easy to follow. As for the collection number, at the web page to which the URL sends us, the collection number precedes the collection name. EE would cite it there.

Nicho[las] Trist to Mrs Trist, letter, 21 December 1775; image copy, University of North Carolina, UNC: University Libraries (https://finding-aids.lib.unc.edu/02104/#folder_1#1 : accessed 30 January 2022), Collection No. 02104, "Nicholas Philip Trist Papers, 1765-1903," Series 1. Correspondence, 1765-1903, Folder 1; citing Southern Historical Collection, The Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

Submitted byRobynRon Sat, 01/29/2022 - 19:59

You may not hear from me again for a wee while, as I will be busy studying the contents of the 100's of digitised documents that are available in this particular collection, and I may not come up for air for some time. :-)

And, I have to agree with your first sentence in your initial reply to this thread, it's a great collection.   

Many thanks for your guidance.